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1. 

   @KatieGimple

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   I'm not only strongly against I-voting for the reasons in this video (and in Tom Scott and Computerphile's videos), but I'm strongly against E-Voting. I don't trust the physical computer at the voting center, the people working there who set it up, the company that writes/owns the software, and the politicians who commission it all to be concerned with ensuring my votes are counted accurately and the system stays completely secure, because a lapse in any of those groups compromises the whole system.

   Where I'm from in the US, you do use a computer to enter your votes, but it immediately prints out the ballot for you to review which you then bring to the box in order to cast your vote. I feel like this is a decent compromise between completely digital voting and handfilled paper ballots, because it has the extra accessibility and convenience of computer ballots with the verifiability of paper ballots.

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   @KostasG-nt9pe

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   sorry but the "negatives" are not good arguments. Simply replace "government/state" with "banks" and "voting" with "storing your money and making transactions" and suddenly people feel fine with it. I dont see if generally the problem of security with banks has been largely solved and most of the issues people find acceptable, then why the same wouldnt hold true for voting. The only REAL reason its not adopted more is cause people are USED TO paper voting and are insecure. Its feelings, not facts that govern this discussion and fear of not understanding something like cybersecurity well. Now as for security, who says paper voting is secure? I just participated in elections serving as someone who is supposed to ensure that the election didnt have any issues, and I can tell you, there is a lot of potential at least in my country to fuck over these things. Not to add that actually, in the end, in every country the votes eventually end up in an electronic system anyway, so the potential for cyber attacks is there still, albeit reduced compared to full i-voting

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   @paulinemercer542

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   It should be banned from all countries in the world

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4. 

   @Prussia_is_not_yet_lost.

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   In Latinamerica the parties pay about 10 to 20$ per vote. They carry on the voters in buses and often give them boose. In the bus the party agent gives them the money and they go to vote. It is easy to take a foto of the ballot to prove how they voted and get the money afterwards. After voting they are rewarded with cheap alcohol and brought back to their communities. They know there will not be governement support if they voted against. Everybody basically knows who voted how.
   Then there is the manipulation by the counting people by just throwing into the garbage unfavorable votes.
   So dont tell me the paper voting is secure.
   Actually i-voting may be an safer and more secure voting mechanism than this traditional polling station voting system.

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5. 

   @redkite121

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   Having seen how easily some people can fall for scams due to lack of understanding of technology, I would not like to see iVoting implemented anywhere

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6. 

   @electis9191

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   We are working hard to provide a decentralized blockchain-encrypted and open source voting solution. Change is in the hands of all of us!

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7. 

   @scotandiamapping4549

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   Its a shame reliable media outlets like this can't do news that requires long trips and/or interviews like this more often.

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8. 

   @matslarsson88

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   You do not address some of the biggest problems with e-voting and i-voting, hence – this sucks. And Smart cards and ID have been used here in Sweden for many years. And that is a technology used to ensure someones identify. AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT WANT IN A VOTING SITUATION!! And the same goes for blockchain.

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9. 

   @lorenzodibernardini8891

   December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

   Estonia "is a pretty politically neutral state without many big enemies". WTF?!!? Estonia is strongly pro USA and joins NATO with a defense expenditure of over 2% just in order to feel safe against their friendly neighbors…RUSSIANS

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    @COSMIXA

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Use e-voting system that requires citizens to walk-In to CCTV monitored voting building.

    Use ID card slot, biometric verification and facial recognition before voting confirmation.

    A small voting 'receipt' shall be printed after confirmed button, where the 'receipt' dropped into secured ballot box used as a backup just incase system hacked.

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11. 

    @macrumpton

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    The question is if the risk of online voting being corrupted are greater than the multitude of risks of corruption in person voting. With online voting there can be no voter suppression, long lines to vote, losing your vote in the mail, poll workers misplacing your ballot, voter identification problems, signature matching, voting location mismatch, and dozens of other vulnerabilities. Being able to vote, and then change your mind afterwards is a significant advantage in todays 24 hr news cycle.
    I suspect that keeping an eye on one big technical problem is easier than coping with the many corrupting possibilities in the physical world, as well as the possiblity of corruption in electronically tabulating the votes.

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12. 

    @grantp33

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    they hack it anyways. i bet its safer and quicker. and any flaw should be able to be detected if they know number of people voting per county

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    @web2yt488

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Mail in vote dumping cases in the US this week and… all the time wasted debating the obvious flaws… necessitates digital blockchain voting. It is a clear leap towards better democracy and less bs game playing

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14. 

    @Domihork

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Here's another way to save working hours that can be lost in voting… In my country we have the elections on Friday afternoon and evening and then Saturday morning.

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15. 

    @LenVrijhof

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    1:18 WHAT ARE THOOOOOSE

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16. 

    @Ggdivhjkjl

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Australians would love not having to wait in line to vote but unfortunately the Internet is too slow here to handle online voting.

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17. 

    @ericklestrange6255

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Very clever that they let you change your vote so if your employer forces you to vote for something you can go home and change it later. I really liked that point

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18. 

    @allisonn3229

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Love your videos! Keep up the good work

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19. 

    @MissTomi

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    There are thousands of ways to hack an online, or even just electronic election, and you don't need backing of a giant superpower to do it. Any country that established electronic or online voting is full of loonies.

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20. 

    @vegetadbza4604

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    If the UK goes to online voting probs all the UK would vote they would defo see a bigger turn out it's good for business cost effective and gets the UK voting better and greener but the government can't control the votes and that's what they want to minipulate elections if it was online u can't do that cyber attacks would be minor

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21. 

    @tenj00

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Estonians are fools. If you make the system too complicated for the average person to understand, your democracy is over.

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22. 

    @tkzsfen

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    if lousy weather is a good reason not to go out and vote, then better don't think about voting at all…

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23. 

    @yuuyuun

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    I wish my country had internet voting

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24. 

    @DarkSkay

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Assume a relatively simple and transparent electronic election system was invented. If it can be understood as "an add-on" to paper-voting with added electronic security, which provably does not introduce new electronic vulnerabilities, then there should be no problem. If on the contrary it is a different kind of system, we should keep in mind that:

    1) the correctness of computer programs and software can't be proven in the general case (halting problem)
    
    2) the quality of randomly generated numbers can be measured and rated in many ways
    
    3) the safety of hash-functions can't be proven to my knowledge
    
    4) the safety of encryption methods (except algorithms like one-time-pads) can't be proven
    
    5) many algorithms rely on mathematical assumptions, not proofs
    
    6) encryption and computer safety is a complex, ever-changing topic
    
    7) the computational capabilities of potential attackers isn't known and should be assumed to exist (e.g. availability of quantum computing) and to increase rapidly
    
    8) the general public has no degree in mathematics and computer science
    
    9) the new system should be simple enough, that everyone can understand, that it is safer than the old one; probably this is only achievable with systems that expand on paper voting, which already has several layers of security, that can't be replicated electronically.

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25. 

    @DarkSkay

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    A) Paper voting vulnerable to direct electronic attacks from: –

    B) E-Voting vulnerable to direct electronic attacks from:

    Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, American Samoa, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antarctica, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bermuda, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Bouvet Island, Brazil, British Indian Ocean Territory, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Cayman Islands, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling Islands), Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Cote D'Ivoire (Ivory Coast), Croatia (Hrvatska, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Faroe Islands, Fiji, Finland, France, France, Metropolitan, French Guiana, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Gibraltar, Greece, Greenland, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Guam, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Heard and McDonald Islands, Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Korea (North), Korea (South), Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macau, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Martinique, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mayotte, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montserrat, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Niue, Norfolk Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Pitcairn, Poland, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Qatar, Reunion, Romania, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, S. Georgia and S. Sandwich Isls., Spain, Sri Lanka, St. Helena, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Sudan, Suriname, Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tokelau, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom (Britain / UK), United States of America (USA), US Minor Outlying Islands, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City State (Holy See), Venezuela, Viet Nam, Virgin Islands (British), Virgin Islands (US), Wallis and Futuna Islands, Western Sahara, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Zaire, Zambia, Zimbabwe

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26. 

    @s0dfish110

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    I went to Estonia [Talin] for a beer festival about 10 years ago. I had a fantastic time! I did make the mistake of walking into what I later found out to be the "Russian quarter" to walk off a hangover and saw a dead skinhead in a green jacket lying on the street. I just walked around him. He looked really suspicious (even when dead). Other than that, it was a great holiday! Estonians are crazy fun!

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27. 

    @riskinhos

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    ALL ELECTRONIC VOTE IS A MENACE TO DEMOCRACY.

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28. 

    @DirtyPoul

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    I'm not opposed to the concept. I'd welcome it if the security issues get solved. Maybe block chain will. But until then, no thanks to internet voting.

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    @chrishoggett1375

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    In Belgium we’ve also had the smart ID card for ages, and it is used for doing annual taxes online. But this country is to retarded to introduce voting online, whilst voting is mandatory here… they just enjoy having people loose an entire day every two years or so for local voting, regional, national or European … god I hate this shit hole…

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    @francescoanastasio2021

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    The problem is statistical: there is not such parameter or index to measure cheating or fraudolent votes with enough approximation. So we cannot say that it is as safe as traditional voting methods, neither the contrary.

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31. 

    @GregoryWonderwheel

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    This is the future of voting, and will allow for referendums for more direct democracy. All the arguments against I-voting are bogus with the single exception for security concerns. The valid concern is not from outside hacking, but from internal counting manipulation by the political party in control of the government doing the counting. I agree with George Galloway who says block chain security is the way to go and I-VOTING is the future.

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32. 

    @miyuden4118

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Portugal has smatcards too. Sadly no I-Voting.

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33. 

    @miyuden4118

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Meanwhile in Germany: "the Internet is still unknown territory"

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34. 

    @Lapantouflemagic0

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    going to the voting booth is not that much of a big issue, and it can also be a social moment, so i'm just fine with pen & paper even though i like the idea of internet voting.
    Actually where it would be most interesting is for all the people who don't live in their own country. I'm french and although i live in japan, i can vote for most election from tokyo or kyoto, but that's it, two voting station in the entire country. many people just don't want to take the time and money just to vote, so in this particular case, internet (or mail for all i care) would be useful.

    also, i said it before, but just in case : you france with shoes design is crooked =(

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35. 

    @1hozat

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    This comment is for no other reason than for TLDR to get some dollar

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36. 

    @lsdesignweb

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    REALLY??? The Government won't know what I voted …. HAHAHAHAHAHA what a good joke.

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37. 

    @StarlasAiko

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    At 2:30, I love how she makes such a distinction between politicians and people.

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38. 

    @DeannaEarley

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    “It can trivialise voting”. What’s wrong with that? Surely more frequent, and easier voting means you get better feedback from your population.

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    @RoberttheWise

    December 31, 2023 at 12:15 am

    7:14 You might want to revise that statement. Have you been paying attention to Putin's stance on the Baltic States? Getting hacked and/or invaded by Russia is a realistic scenario the Baltic States are guarding against.

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