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University shake-up: Should we deny student loans to people who fail their Maths & English GCSEs?
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@nairodoohk6362
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Correct. in my time only 5% of school leavers went to University. If you cannot even pass english and maths GCSE then you need to back to school and master these subjucts .. or not ?
@Matlockization
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
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@yiabwstetienne7474
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
It's a bums on seats money spinner for universities, hence the lowering of the bar for educational acceptance levels.
@johnnyboyvan
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Of course they should be banned until they pass it. Let them all in and there is no value to a degree.
@philphil4914
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Students are scroungers, pay for your own pathetic leftie wokeucation
@stephansyme2125
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
This is not a 'punishment' it is a measure to make sure that young people applying for a place at university have the required standards in literacy and numeracy.
@cellbiologyshorts9105
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
I do agree that there should be fewer, high quality degrees with more decent apprenticeships. However, I'm not keen on writing people off even younger. I would have a more rigorous process at the point of entry. Likely to be the same kids who don't make it through, but at least you gave them a shot.
@AndyLongden
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
University is a giant con. I did 2 years of a 3yr BA course. Not through choice. Wouldn't fund my last year but they'd already paid the university for my final term, so I couldn't afford to go but I still owed them for the last year's that I couldn't attend. And to be honest as a mature student I learned nothing in the years attended. It was all about ticking boxes so the university could recruit more people into the con.
@JoolzThePirate
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Yes, while we are at it cancel half the non degree degrees
@annedonnellan6876
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Apprenticeship in skills
@annedonnellan6876
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Yes. If you don't have a basic education how can you pursue third level?
@johncatto5019
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Getting into university used to be merit based, what was wrong with that ? Not everybody needs or wants to go to university. Seems to me that a lot of the new degrees are just made up.
@mikewilson5556
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
If the labour guy says its a bad idea then its clearly the right thing to do
@hammersmithbridge9115
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Its not about Mickey Mouse degrees its about Mickey Mouse Students. We dont need everyone going to University. Whoever bought the lie that by having a degree means you earn more are fools – that only works if a certain amount of people have a degeree – if everyone has a degree it simply cancels the advantage
@iansadler5018
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Life experience you mean piss up
@sv5263
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Hell no! In Oregon people dont even meed to pass basic reading, writing or math to graduate.
@pete6724
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
If they can't pass simple math and English exam ffs, don't let them into university as they don't have what it takes to be there.
@tammime
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Not everyone needs to be academic. We need more trade workers. Far more than all these university degrees in non-professional fields.
@AmexL
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Let’s look at the power to influence one’s opinion by how it’s framed, see below.
1. “Students are being punished for not meeting XYZ requirements”
2. “Students are being held accountable for not meeting XYZ requirements”
Now which of those two statements more accurately represents the reality of the situation and which one opens the door to rewarding failure? Because yes, failure, is a part of life and it’s how an individual improves. Does this mean you kick those students to the curb and tell them they’ll never amount to anything? Obviously, no, but you do not set them up for future failure by letting them go about as if they hadn’t met the requirements.
@gosskamperis2016
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Young people these days are being stitched-up.
Three to four years income lost and tens of thousands of pounds of debt.
NOTE: NO government can create jobs; consumers create jobs.
@mofo5206
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Yes because they will most likely struggle if they fail basic maths and english, if they are determined they will save for it and pass.
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December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
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@TheYamiJK
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Yes and no, there needs to be a gray area, I know some one who went to uni who failed maths and english, he got in mostly via experience of his field but he ended up in the top percentage of his class but he wouldn't have been able to attend without a loan.
Agreed though that students needs to be taught that its ok not to go to uni, it isn't your only option, like the life or death feeling they give it now and there are plenty of more routes available now to achieve certain job roles.
@haitch2676
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
As an aside – my God Ashley is stunning!
@Canalcoholic
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Hang on a minute: GCSEs, that’s ‘O’ levels. Anyone who can’t get ‘O’ level maths and English should NOT be going into higher education.
@stephfoxwell4620
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Yes.
Nobody with fewer than three A levels at grade C or above should attend University.
About 20% of people maximum.
@crown9413
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
University is a scam, even real subjects are so oversubscribed there aren't enough jobs at the end.
@williamhall667
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
I went to a crap school, which was told it needed to improve by Ofsted multiple times. Im dyslexic also and received no help, from older teachers who were just counting down the days till retirement. I left in 2003 and went to college to try and retake my GCSEs. Only I couldn't retake them, I was only able to take Key skills. Not only do most employers not recognise what these are but it also tells them that you failed at school. this leaves you at a disadvantage. they need to bring back the option of being able to retake you're GCSEs in later life. Needless to say whilst at college in earnt nothing but distinctions.
@songscoops4205
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Quite right…help them pass their exams…there are too many going to uni..and failing to last the course…
@jhjhjhjhjhjhify
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
This won't get rid of Mickey Mouse degrees. The Universities will still treat the students who do get the loans like customers and create these silly courses by demand because fundamentally that's what the loans dictate they are in this context. If University was free to attend then this would be a different story as there would have to be cuts to 'trim the fat' as it were, and many of these specific liberal arts/humanities type courses would be the first to go in theory. They'd also be more discerning about which students are chosen.
For what it's worth I don't have a Maths GCSE (failed it twice) but got very high English grades. Never went to Uni. I don't see how you'd need to know algebra to do an English course, nor how it would mean you'd do well on said course. I know many people who got high grades at GCSE/went to University who are quite frankly thick as pigs*it too.
@andylewis7360
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Who’s the po-faced plonker? He really doesn’t get it! Universities are bloody USELESS for the students themselves and the country too!! He’s living in the 90’s!!
What a sanctimonious old prat!
@minhearg8331
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
I worry that medical students will be admitted to university even after failing biology GCSE.
@action1976
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Get rid of all the Mickey mouse degrees for a start anything that ends in studies, black studies, gender studies. Just a ponzi scheme churning out stupid and ideological kids with high debt.
@johnmurphy618
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Please explain how not reaching the grade is a punishment. What a load of tosh.
@nick8772
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Why do we bother inviting Labour supporters to worthwhile debates?
@MeTheRob
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Shouty Michael ? This Kevin guy is a complete arse.
(Who is he ? )
@theprincipalofficer4273
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
We had colleges until Tony Blair destroyed them.
@ch3nz3n
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Who is the old dude and why should anyone care about his thoughts?
@theprincipalofficer4273
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
The outcome is a lot of stupid indoctrinated idiots being churned out.
@DancesWithSpiders
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
It's a fuckin' stupid question because student loans are granted by the banks to people, who will then eventually have to repay them (plus interest) however they perform at universities. The universities have ceased to be seats of enquiry, education, knowledge and have become business corporations and propaganda centres for the latest versions of the woke agenda. They're quite happy to rake in the money. The banks don't give a fuck – they lend some kid money and that kid will have to pay it back with interest. To them, there's no problem.
The question ought to be "should banks be allowed to do that?" or "should universities be gaily profiting from this system?" or more to the point "what professions will we need in the coming years and how could we be preparing and motivating the next generations to take up positions in those professions?" (like – nuclear power plants … have you seen any kids lately who look like they're going to be able to run them when the old sweats pop their clogs? I haven't seen many – not unless you can run nuclear power plants via a mobile phone app).
@abazely2743
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
Rubbish in, rubbish out.
@colinstuart6708
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
No student should be allowed to enter a university without passing maths and English GCSE let alone get a student grant.
@colcol303
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
I'm more worried about paying my gas bill, than some crap degree
@jacksimper5725
December 25, 2023 at 8:37 am
How about non payment to tutors who fail to turn up for lectures ? One of my sons always said tutor failed to turn up to lecture again and again and was still paid..